Session 70 — November 2022

Frederic mentions following stem cell developments, which are very expensive, and asks about alternatives such as LifeWave patches meant to stimulate stem cells, which he tried without result.

Asked what he is trying to achieve, he says rejuvenation for himself and his wife.

The Wonders say he can pursue that or simply address telomere length, which he already does with TA-65, but that the rest is learning not to stress himself.

Both he and his wife have a large capacity for stress and therefore assume what they carry is not stress - but it is, and it has been there not just in the difficult recent years but since birth: they have stressed their mental, emotional, spiritual and consequently physical capacity, and it shows in their physicality.

If he genuinely wants to extend his lifespan he should not look to stem cell research to do it.

They define stress as what occurs when there is fear, judgment and guilt, present in all of them since the beginning of their existence.

Moving beyond it starts with letting go of the attachment to fear, judgment and guilt as necessary for survival; only then can he address how deeply those are incorporated in the body, shaping how things move and how he thinks, reacts and acts - and only then does he begin making real inroads into longevity.

Frederic describes now often drawing a blank on subjects and asks whether this is resistance from the mind or simply no longer being concerned with things he used to care about.

The Wonders say part of it is his long habit of deciding things are not important, and reassure him that his mind is not getting less sharp - he is not losing his mind or becoming demented, and he should not attribute it to age.

He asks whether he should care about things he now finds himself not caring about; they answer only if he chooses to, noting he has learned over recent years to better command his mind and told it not to care, so it stopped caring, and now he is wondering whether he should.

Frederic says he simply cannot get involved at work, letting people talk what sounds to him like nonsense.

The Wonders name an intolerance for what his mind defines as stupidity, and point out that every person he finds stupid finds themselves interesting and fascinating, and cannot understand why he is not fascinated.

His options are to avoid such people, which is virtually impossible, or to become a good actor and pretend well.

When Frederic calls it increasingly boring, they identify 'boring' as his mind's judgment and therefore as stress - his mind is stressing whenever it finds people boring, and he does not notice because it presents as 'I don't care', when it takes stress even to say that.

They tell him to command his mind to observe the extent of stress being incorporated in itself and in the body as a result of that judgment of boredom, and predict he will be amazed by what he sees.

They add that when the mind is habituated to operating from a judgment it declares itself unstressed, having already absorbed the stress into itself and the body, and thereafter only registers a new judgment as stressful if it is greater than the one already held, otherwise calling it easy or boring.

The aim is to eliminate that, or at least to become aware of it and see how it affects the body, from which different choices can follow.

They note his wife is in the same position and his daughter is learning.

Frederic mentions having resumed Asimaya, which they say is very helpful for all three of them.

Frederic asks what the Wonders are working on with humanity now.

They say that in recent years they explored spirituality and moved people to incorporate it into their existence, and that the coming year turns to exploring what people are actually interested in - self-definition.

Over 26 years with Maggie and more than 30 with René they have given humanity a foundation of everything it needs to observe, change, alter and shift itself, though humanity keeps repeating what it has always done over millennia; nonetheless the material will eventually reach mass consciousness.

Over the coming three to six years they will make themselves available with titles, explorations, ideas and constructs as a framework, but the emphasis shifts to what questions participants bring to that framework: workshop and study group participants are asked to question their own reality in light of what is offered, so as to become more self-defining and self-actuating.

They note a real dearth of self-actualization in the human race in recent years, and describe the intent as providing a forum where people explore using their framework - spirituality, freedom of choice, fear, judgment and guilt, control versus command - now applying what they have learned.

They stress that talking is of no benefit and that everyone likes to hear themselves talk; what they want is for people to come back with experience, so the emphasis will be on experience as much as possible.

Frederic connects this to 'manifesting your brilliance', and the Wonders agree that great conversations that are never applied to life remain only great conversations, which is what happens with many of their followers.

When Frederic says he has had trouble finding questions lately for lack of new experiences, they tell him an experience does not have to be life-altering or mind-blowing - it could be walking across the street - and the questions are what he learned, what he missed, what he uncovered, what he neglected, set aside or ignored.

Frederic says he is happier than he used to be but still likes comfort very much, and sometimes enjoys what he is experiencing so much that he does not feel like changing it, while judging that he probably should.

The Wonders say there is nothing wrong with comfort provided he does not substitute comfort for awareness - it was awareness that led him to comfort, not comfort that led him to awareness - and reject the framing that this is about always wanting to improve.

Instead they describe a journey from birth to death and ask what he will do with it: he can sit on a mountaintop, a log or a stone and watch life fast-forward past him, concluding he had a great life in which he did nothing but saw everything; or he can jump off the rock and walk, including himself in the drama around him.

Some people love drama so much that they spend their whole lives caught in one small aspect of life.

What the Wonders propose is a third way: to observe everything going on, and when he chooses, to enter an experience, live it, and return with awarenesses he could not have gained either by watching it pass or by losing himself in the drama.

Saying 'I'm comfortable and I don't want to change' is itself a form of fear, and worth examining, because even sitting motionless on a mountaintop everything inside him would change - he cannot hold the universe as a fixed point, so he must participate in the movement, and how he participates is up to him: to experience one thing at will through free choice, step back, and experience another.

They warn that this brings up psychologies, belief structures and awareness of his own stress, and tell him that consciously or not he will spend the next year exploring the levels and layers of stress in his life - a choice he has already made - so he may as well do it with conscious awareness.

Frederic raises the psychologies one can observe, and the Wonders repeat their invitation to followers to come back with their awareness so it can be discussed and explored.

He says he now likes to get out of his mind, and that examining psychology from a mental perspective is no longer enjoyable and is too stressful; they approve, telling him instead to observe the effect in the reality of his life.

He agrees that everything he observes reflects his beliefs and judgments, and remarks with amusement on how he always ends up in situations where he is paid to do essentially nothing, without understanding how - the Wonders ask whether he has to understand, and identify the underlying psychology: he does not need to understand, but he can choose a level of comfort, and for him that means financial comfort, time comfort so he can do what he feels like when he feels like it, and life comfort - and he then creates it.

Frederic notes a contradiction: he and his wife have been looking for a house for years, but he cannot really care about it, since it is for the family and he does not mind where he lives.

The Wonders identify it as his wife's want rather than his, and say honestly that until he cares there will be no house - so why care - pointing out that he already lives in a house, even if he does not own it.

The real question is whether he is satisfied with what he has, and whether change would mean moving, or whether the need in him is to create and build, which he could do in a rental or, more easily, in something he owns, though ownership brings other problems.

They conclude that his need for an easy life has overruled every other aspect of his life, so anything threatening that ease has been set aside; and that although his wife has the idea that she should have a house, she also wants ease of life and trusts him to produce it, so she does not treat it as a necessity - leaving them both playing a game of 'I need this' when in reality neither of them wants it.